lundi 26 mai 2008

Zied Dahmane, rédacteur concepteur Label Ogilvy Tunis répond à Critipub


zied Dahmane de label...nous dévoile son point de vue, sa vision de jeune publicitaire...


Critipub:
que pensez vous de la pub en Tunisie...l'état des lieux...

Zied: En deux mots, la pub en Tunisie essaye d'aller mieux, n'arrête pas de se confronter aux mentalités des clients, des consommateurs, et de la censure. On lutte contre le premier degrés, contre la pub classique, on essaye d'élever le niveau, d'être plus en ligne avec les standards internationaux.

critipub:
Lorsque vous parlez de censure, vous voulez dire quoi exactement? Qu'est ce qui vous pose problème?
zied:
je parle de tout ce qui est demande du style: "c'est trop 2ème degrés pour les consommateurs"

du style: " le décolleté de la fille peux nous poser quelques problèmes et ne va pas être bien apprécié par notre cible"
"augmenter la taille du logo" ...le tout au détriment de l'idée

Critipub:
pff dommage pour le décolleté c nul ça


Critipub: un print ou spot tv que vous avez apprécié.

Zied:
j'ai apprécié:
le spot taksam de duo (quoi que c'est du benchmark avec les pubs kiss cool).
mais je les trouves simples et rigolotes et surtout qui ont fait de l'impact (le plus essentiel).

j'ai apprécié l'accroche " fixi el fixe"
kifkif simple, straight to the point, qui veux tout dire et très mémorisable
çà a eu de l'impact aussi en à peine un jour de diffusion.


Critipub:

votre sentiment après les prix que vous avez eu?
on a bien vu JWT sur prosdelacom, alors que vous aussi vous étiez bien récompensé.
félicitations déjà et que pensez vous de ce prix?

zied:

tu sais les prix pour les créatifs, (selon moi) c'est la plus grande motivation, elle a la magie de satisfaire son ego de créatif :P

critipub:

encore bravo

je viens de citer par hasard jwt

que pensez vous du dernier post? une réaction aux propos de Georges?

zied:

no comments...

sinon tout le monde a le droit de critiquer
des blogs ou des sites comme joelapompe ne peuvent être que très bénéfiques pour le paysage publicitaire dans ce pays, je pense que çà incite les créatifs a cogiter plus, à faire plus d'efforts de créativité et donc à s'améliorer et améliorer le niveau de la pub en général.

Critipub:
mais, le créatif est connu pour être susceptible, ne pensez vous pas que cela serait très mal accepté en Tunisie?

zied:

susceptible pourquoi?
tu veux dire que le créatif quand il plagie une pub, n'acceptera pas qu'on lui dise qu'il a copié?
je pense que si on fait les choses correctement on ne doit pas être confronté à ce genre de réactions.

Critipub:
non mais apparemment l'hasard devient de plus en plus présent dans notre domaine
zied:
il y a une question de hasard, c'est vrai , mais je pense que tout créatif doit avoir un bagage et une culture publicitaire qui devra lui épargner ce genre de surprises.

Critipub:
en parlant de copiage ogilvy a dit : qu'a force de copier des créas existantes il a apprit à créer ses propres créas. Regardez ou en est arrivé Label, une référence en publicité dans le monde

ne voyez vous pas que c'est une bonne stratégie pour commencer?
Zied:
je te donne un exemple, le langage ce n'est pas innée, on ne le possède pas dès la naissance
ça nécessite un apprentissage déjà des bases
dans la pub, c'est kifkif
quand David Ogilvy parle de copiage je pense qu'il parle de principe publicitaire
la pub pour arriver ce stade de post-modernisme,elle est passé par plusieurs étapes nécessaires
on est passé au début par exemple par le branding de la marque les bénéfices de consommation

les accroches et les idées second degré...les mentalités changent et la pub doit suivre et même anticiper voir orienter et influencer les mentalités

bref, on ne doit en aucun cas copier, on doit en tant créatifs acquérir des mécanismes de réflexion pour pondre une idée.


Critipub: Zied, un dernier mot pour les millions de lecteurs de ce blog?

Zied: EN AVANT ! ( c'est ma devise)

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billahi expérience de 3 ou 4 ans chez label ( commercial et après Copywriter) vous permettra de juger la pub en Tunisie :))
et vous parlez des prix aux festivals zah :)) c vieux comme le monde, ceux ki gagne les prix sont ceux ki ont payé le plus++ (http://www.etapes.com/video/chose-2-2)

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C'est ce que disent ceux qui n'en ont jamais eu.

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"ceux ki gagne les prix sont ceux ki ont payé le plus"
C'est ce que disent ceux qui n'en ont jamais eu.

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@anonyme:
l'agence la chose a gagné des prix, vous avez pas vu le lien ?
c le système qui fonctionne comme ça ya Créa :))

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si une personne conteste le prix de Label ou JWT c'est qu'il remet en question la créa, concept ou spot.
donc pour toute critique veuillez l'envoyer à critipub@yahoo.fr

:)

ce serait plus intéressent d'exposer votre point de vue au lieu de se lancer des pics.

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Au cours d'une discussion avec des amis bossant tous dans le merveilleux monde de la pub, on s'est demandé si ça serait une bonne idée de mettre en ligne un blog pour relater les comérages, rumeurs, coups bas qu'on entend tous les jours.

On s'est dit que ça serait amusant de voir les créas, expat ou tunisiens, s'étrangler et s'insulter...par la suite, on s'est dit que ça serait trop beau mais trop bas

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j'espère alors que tu as remarqué qu'il n y a pas de coups bas ici.
on ne parle pas de x qui couche avec y ni rien :)
s'il y a des remarques un peu hard, cela n'engage que leurs auteurs.

ici on parle pub, du moin j'espere

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Amusant de remarquer comment deux professionnels de la com communiquent eux-mêmes.
En voyant les 2 derniers posts du blog, j'ai cru noter des stratégies bien différentes. Alors lecteur consommateur lequel des deux achèteras-tu?

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@critique de pub
L'allusion aux soirées, c'était pas ça!
Publier une email, ça ne se fait pas non plus

Mais bon, du moment que tu es anonyme , fais ce que tu veux...tu risque absolument rien...sauf si on découvre ton identité :)

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@Mahdi: George est au courant que les questions étaient destinées au blog, je lui ai même envoyé un mail pour l'informer que l'article a été posté.et que s'il voulait changer un détail il pouvait m'informer et j'en tiendrais compte.
je ne suis pas la pour faire des coups bas.
On est diplomate entre publicitaires :)
et juste pour info, c'est plusieurs personnes qui tiennent le blog issues de plusieurs agences concurrentes :)

Unknown a dit…

A ce que j'ai vu, ses reponses avaient l'air d'être destinée à un email non à une ITW

Sinon pour le publicitaire et le Crew qui tient le blog, à défaut de preuves, on peut te croire...ou pas!(tu vois, moi aussi, je suis diplomate)

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vous êtes libres d'avoir votre propre idée. ce blog est un espace pour parler librement sans porter atteinte a personne. on peut dévoiler nos identités mais rester anonyme nous épargne l'auto censure.
en plus on donne un droit de réponse à tout le monde et chaque mail sera posté littéralement sans petites retouches.

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Rester anonyme permet surtout de taper sur qui on veut sans risquer grand chose.
Le monde la pub est si petit, qu'on peut se faire griller rapidos.
J'ai déjà été bloggeur anonyme et je sais le sentiment que ça procure...seulement le jour où je me suis rendu compte que si je n'assumait pas pleinement mes opinions, elle ne valait que dalle.

Être bloggeur anonyme pour raconter ses sentiments et sa vie (type, je l'aime mais elle me trompe, je me suis fait ecraser par un bus...etc...) ça peut passer parce que ça ne concerne que l'auteur.

Mais tenir un blog où on dit que telle créa est à chier, tel campagne est une merde, tel travail est génial...c'est exprimer des opinions qui peuvent toucher et les créas et les annonceurs ( tu peux devenir très bien référencé sur certines expressions tel que des noms de marques)

Une opinion n'est défendable que si elle est faite à visage découvert...

Enfin, ça n'est que mon opinion :)

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